Author Topic: The "facts" from Microsoft on servers (Read 3776 times)

dynaweb · « **on:** July 30, 2005, 05:25:38 PM »

Microsoft claims the following:
1) Tests Show Windows Server Environment More Reliable and Easier to Manage
2) Database Security Comparison Shows Microsoft Has Fewer Vulnerabilities Than Linux-hosted Alternatives
3) Study Finds Ongoing Management Costs of Linux Offset Any Upfront Savings

Anyone care to dispute? :p

(From the horses mouth at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/default.mspx )

adb22791 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2005, 06:19:49 AM »

What would an "ongoing management cost" of linux be?

dynaweb · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:35:54 AM »

Yeh I was wondering that myself.

adb22791 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2005, 03:34:43 PM »

CentOS 3.5
-Free to upgrade
-Free to add packages/features
-Free to run
-Free to get support

Windows Server 2003
-Costs alot of $$$ to buy
-Costs alot of $$$ to upgrade
-Addons cost $$$
-Support costs $$$.. well quality support does.

If you can think of any other management costs.. oh linux firewalls are free while windows ones arn\'t.

Last I heard PHP was the main issue, mySQL databases are apparently pretty secure, but PHP scripts that use these databases can leave issues. Then again ASP scripts that use Windows databases probably have the same issues (I hate ASP, so I dont know).

And finally, I find Linux alot easier to manage.
If you want to update your Linux server:
Pull up SSH. Login. type "yum update"
Answer the few questions that pop up.. you\'re done!
Linux in my opinion is alot more reliable, less lockups and a hell of a lot less CPU usage.

Anyone have a second side?

dynaweb · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2005, 03:51:24 PM »

I manage both Windows and Linux servers for my hosting business. My favoritism seems to go in waves. When new versions of PHP or MySQL come out and lack of documentation fosters botched upgrades and such, I tend to curse Linux and praise Windows. But when Windows vulnerabilities and virii hit and Linux is completely unaffected then vice-versa.

Lately, my favoritism is leaning toward Linux. Linux server is more configurable thanks to the ocean of open-source resources available for it. Security seems to be tighter with Linux too. What I like about Windows server is mainly the remote desktop console. It is convenient to have that if needed but rarely is. Windows is definately more expensive. I am suprised that Windows devs have not developed and implemented their own server control panel. Thats where the costs in Linux can surmount. If Windows were to include something like that, it would be more competitive; but seems to me that Linux is taking over the server market.

zelo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2005, 06:12:39 PM »

Remember Linux is SUPPOSED to be open-source which means anybody can do anything to the source and add to it as they please. That is where we run into problems of incompatability and so forth. Windows is SUPPOSED to be a managed "everything works with everything" type of system. Of course that doesn\'t work out the same way either.

I like Linux over Windows for a lot of reasons but namely Cost, Configurability, Flexibility... you just need to know what you are doing before you do what you were thinking of doing. Example: don\'t do a MySQL upgrade if it doesn\'t work with PLESK version you are currently running, or even worse the opposite.

Knowledge is power... power is money... Know what you are doing with Linux and stay away from the costs associated with running a Windows web site.

Lest we forget in the early days of the internet MICROSOFT\'S OWN SITE was run off of UNIX! Yes they have come a long way, but think about that for a minute... then go to Microsoft\'s web site and actually try to find what you are looking for... IF IT IS EVEN UP.

dynaweb · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2005, 04:43:04 PM »

I went to microsofts section for job postings. It is a total monster.com spoof. I out in what job I was interested in and no results. Then there was a link to edit the profile so i clicked it and got error page every time. By using the good ole Back button and Refresh button, i was able to set the profile to show all listings. seemed to be 90% for Software Engineers in Redmond, WA. Hah, they NEED one for that site itself

Anyway, what do they expect to have for a job pool in a state where the biggest skilled industries are Salmon Fishing and Apple Farming

sargek · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2005, 07:14:35 PM »

We all know M$\'s claims are biased....! They are so very communist-like, it\'s creepy. I have never managed GNU/Linux servers, but deal with several M$ servers on a daily basis, and they suck badly. Not sure if that is because they were set up badly (not by me), or if it is just the nature of the beast. If any of you have ever played with any of the BSD flavors, you will find servers based on BSD to be very stable, secure, and just work. Yahoo runs all of their servers with FreeBSD. BSD isn\'t GNU/Linux, I know, but I\'m just spouting off about server stuff...

dynaweb · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2005, 11:37:02 PM »

I manage both MS and Linux servers in shared hosting environments. They really are not too different, but then again, I know I am not stretching either platform to their full effectiveness. For example, my MS servers are simple and do not us eactive directory (that spooks me). I use round robin DNS interaction between platforms, but no other kind of sharing, so it keeps things really simple. They both have their advantages and disadvantages from both the admin and end-user perspectives. Linux does work out to be cheaper tho, but these days not a LOT cheaper (especially since I use RedHat Linux).

Yes, I hear BSD is very stable. Not very newbie-friendly tho, although it seems to be coming around slowly.

adb22791 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2005, 08:38:25 AM »

CentOS

Actually I use Linux on all my servers now since I have fallen in love with the cPanel control panel. cPanel unfortunatly makes up for the cost of Windows, but it is great server software.

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